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Jan 30, 2018 1:15:33 GMT -8
Post by machinesworking on Jan 30, 2018 1:15:33 GMT -8
I'm looking at jumping into Reaper, as it has a really advanced VCA implementation among other things.
Problem is no Raven support. Found something about it from two years ago.
Any update on the status of Reaper?
and as a more generalized question have you guys ever thought about releasing a generic Mackie Control emulation mixer for DAWs that aren't currently supported?
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Reaper?
Jan 30, 2018 11:53:13 GMT -8
Post by jameyz on Jan 30, 2018 11:53:13 GMT -8
Nothing on the books yet for Reaper.
Very hard to do an all around controller as each DAW needs custom settings for automation modes, transports, track names etc.
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Reaper?
Feb 1, 2018 14:25:22 GMT -8
Post by machinesworking on Feb 1, 2018 14:25:22 GMT -8
OK that's disappointing about Reaper. A couple years ago it was at least in your guys's headlights. I'm back on Logic for a while since DP isn't getting VCA faders anytime soon, but it disappointing to me in terms of software instruments and hardware controllers, it still does not separate ports for VI's, so the workaround is to assign a specific MIDI channel to each of your hardware controllers, which of course becomes a hassle with multi timbral instruments... At least it has a Ravlay for it though, and looks a lot more integrated than either Live or DP's Ravlays!  Reaper has best in class VCA faders for sure, nested faders within faders etc. Don't fear the Reaper! Besides, the Raven and Reaper together is tre goth! Lol! |
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Feb 1, 2018 16:55:07 GMT -8
Post by jameyz on Feb 1, 2018 16:55:07 GMT -8
I prefer Ableton live for handling all my midi controllers, but I do see a few good things about Reaper. Since V-Control Pro does support Reaper that would make the transition a bit easier.
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Post by machinesworking on Feb 1, 2018 20:05:16 GMT -8
I prefer Ableton live for handling all my midi controllers, but I do see a few good things about Reaper. Since V-Control Pro does support Reaper that would make the transition a bit easier. They all have weird limitations don't they? Live does't support SysEx, it's there now in 10, if you want to build a patch librarian for your hardware from scratch in Max. Plus the 128 parameter limit on track automation. DP does a great job with MIDI controllers, but comes up short in key limits, you can't create a zone for notes on a keyboard, so no way to split a keyboard controller in the software, and of course the MIDI is not attached to soft synths, each instance of a soft synth is straight away two tracks. VCA faders aren't there yet for either Live or DP, which I'm finding the need for the more I get into mixing. I realize every time I run a mix too hot it ends up messing the work I've done to that point to pull everything down, VCA faders solve that. Logic doesn't separate soft synth input by ports, you get 16 MIDI channels and either you assign each controller to a MIDI channel or you create MIDI transformers in the Environment, which might mess up the V-Control Pro integration so I'm not doing it. My only complaints about Reaper are control protocol oriented, HUI is still "beta", and not much controller support is offered outside doing it yourself. And it's got a lot of pop up menus for everything, since everything is everything in Reaper! lol! |
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Reaper?
Mar 23, 2018 10:19:57 GMT -8
Post by rmorris on Mar 23, 2018 10:19:57 GMT -8
I second that with Reaper! I have almost completely stopped using ProTools unless specifically needed by the client. Reaper is kicking ProTools butt all over the place. Once I understood the routing scheme which took a little while, it seems there is nothing I can't do with it. Would LOVE for Raven to support!
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Reaper?
Mar 23, 2018 16:49:33 GMT -8
Post by waxman on Mar 23, 2018 16:49:33 GMT -8
... since DP isn't getting VCA faders anytime soon, Reaper has best in class VCA faders for sure, nested faders within faders etc. Don't fear the Reaper! Besides, the Raven and Reaper together is tre goth! Lol! What are the must have uses for the VCA faders? |
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Reaper?
Mar 25, 2018 9:33:22 GMT -8
Post by machinesworking on Mar 25, 2018 9:33:22 GMT -8
What are the must have uses for the VCA faders? Mostly to me they solve the problem of volumes during mixing rising too quickly over the course of the process. So you get a solid mix, but there's no headroom for mastering left, lowering the mix by grouping tracks doesn't effectively preserve the relationship to sends, stems etc. VCA faders do since they actually don't process audio etc. Honestly the other reason I'm excited about Reaper is it's outstanding Stem creation setup. In DP for instance you really have only two choices for Stem creation, you can bounce each Stem separately and individually name them while bouncing or you can bus them to audio tacks, create the tracks in real time, find them on your HD, rename them etc. In Reaper you can bounce bussed tracks simply be selecting them, and apply terms to the naming. So in my case I ask Reaper to name the track by track name, then project name, then BPM. You can use other naming conventions like time etc. I guess I'm mostly just frustrated that DP has such simplistic bouncing options, it's annoying that to bounce all tracks to separate audio files for mix down, you essentially have to either double all tracks with routed bussed audio tracks and do it in real time, or you have to freeze everything. This to me is a total PITA compared to Logic, Reaper, Live, essentially all the other DAWs I'm familiar with have better options for flattening a song previous to mix down, i.e. all of them at least have the option to bounce all tracks to separate audio files, and Reaper can do that and batch rename them. If you're mainly recording rock bands it's not a noticeable problem, same is slightly true for people with set ups that never change like composers with huge templates and complex bussing to stems already dialed in. I mostly do electronic experimental rock music and every start will be different, with a larger amount of virtual instruments and it's a noticeable shortcoming of DP that freezing tracks or setting up bussing is necessary to flatten all audio to get busy mixing. |
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Mar 25, 2018 19:24:52 GMT -8
Post by waxman on Mar 25, 2018 19:24:52 GMT -8
Yeah I see how VCA's might help me during mix... I came from analog 24 track. Some of that still sneaks in but I do start most projects from scratch. I use UAD mixer for input and monitoring. Band stuff I will use templates from the first song.
On the input phase, I get the ideas in and record pretty fast keeping a work mix as I go. Mostly pop and rock in lots of styles. I do cut multitrack if the band is well rehearsed and good. Most of the time it's a lot of VI's. Then BFD, Superior Drummer, Live Drums, Maschine and loops for drums and percussion. I save projects with version numbers, copy audio etc. I usually end up with 6 to a dozen versions.
I rarely freeze until right before the mix. When it's time to mix I cut the VI's in real time. Then I merge everything, do an export of the soundbites. Those soundbites have the names of the tracks and it's pretty easy to keep track. Then import the tracks to my mix template... I also do a lot of mixing... Submixes I wait to do in the mix template. I do a lot of old school tricks to avoid losing the mix Also I don't cut hot... -12...
I use grouping with t and tt... and I do a lot of sub mixing with Auxes. it's pretty fast. But I like the way the VCA's works in PT... I do a whole lot of editing, cleaning up and fixing once I'm in mix template. By then it's all in Auxes and routed. Then I leave it alone for a few days. I try to do a final mix in a few hours after I have been away from it...
DP does have an OG philosophy of how to work which came from the sequential old days. Auxes, Master etc...
I really use DP because I like the dynamic GUI setups which is the opposite of the consistent PT philosophy.
Once the Raven came along with BC it changed my paradigm. Then 6 mos ago I bailed on the Trash Can and use the MBP exclusively. Being Mobile has changed everything for me again...
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Post by Joel on Apr 15, 2018 5:58:52 GMT -8
Another vote for REAPER. REAPER is an absolute joy to mix in.
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Post by machinesworking on Apr 19, 2018 12:36:55 GMT -8
Another vote for REAPER. REAPER is an absolute joy to mix in. Nice and succinct. I'm using multiple DAWs, some things about DP and Live will keep me using them occasionally over Reaper, but the mix and render options in Reaper put it at the top of the pack for me. Plus considering the amount of Actions already available to Reaper users, Batch commands tied to them would be enormous! It's also possible in Reaper to Theme it with a succinct skin that allows 24+ faders at full screen! This already makes the touch screen useful without a dedicated Ravelay, but on OSX anyway, no multi touch.. |
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Jul 31, 2018 10:39:43 GMT -8
Post by kinshipmusic on Jul 31, 2018 10:39:43 GMT -8
+1 for Reaper support. It is more logical than Logic, to me.
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Reaper?
Jul 31, 2018 11:12:06 GMT -8
Post by waxman on Jul 31, 2018 11:12:06 GMT -8
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Reaper?
Aug 1, 2018 22:59:34 GMT -8
via mobile
Post by Coopmusic247 on Aug 1, 2018 22:59:34 GMT -8
Something you can do if your mix is running too hot is just add a new track as the first and then make it a folder for the whole thing below. Then just turn that one down for your headroom.
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Sept 10, 2018 21:47:08 GMT -8
Post by machinesworking on Sept 10, 2018 21:47:08 GMT -8
 Another plug for a Reaper Ravely. At the very least a Batch commander.. There are so many dammed useful "Actions" (as Cockos calls keyboard commands), that it's very very easy to get lost trying to find them all, a simple Batch Commander that did nothing more than fire keyboard shortcuts would do. Again, in the bigger picture, Slate could design their own theme for Reaper that had huge freaking faders, honestly with the way Reaper is set up they could script in a Theme and customized Reaper template that integrated probably better than any of the ones they currently have. |
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Post by jameyz on Sept 11, 2018 8:46:55 GMT -8
I will check if Batch Commander would work for this DAW, that could be a good way to get the foot in the door for the RAVEN software.
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Reaper?
Nov 2, 2018 11:47:09 GMT -8
Post by PrePro on Nov 2, 2018 11:47:09 GMT -8
+1 for Reaper support with Raven. We've been using Reaper since 2008 as our primary DAW for recording, mixing and mastering and audio post production. We're very interested in Raven as well, as it would really suit our studio's approach to digital audio technology and design aesthetic.
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Reaper?
Feb 15, 2019 11:20:29 GMT -8
Post by Big Mick on Feb 15, 2019 11:20:29 GMT -8
+1 Reaper!
I know this is an old post, but another vote for Reaper. It's the best all-around DAW out there, and the workflow options are second to none. Really not using anything else these days. Would LOVE to move to the dual MTi2 Raven! Love the look and feel of that thing, but not going back to PT.
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Reaper?
Mar 13, 2019 2:31:50 GMT -8
via mobile
Post by Niall Del on Mar 13, 2019 2:31:50 GMT -8
+1 for Reaper
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Reaper?
Mar 17, 2019 2:47:08 GMT -8
Post by David Carlyon on Mar 17, 2019 2:47:08 GMT -8
another vote for Reaper!!
I have been on a DAW journey through every major daw in the last couple of years. My music and usage has changed a lot since my old pro tools days and I have struggled to find the perfect program to handle my modern workflow.
Enter Reaper - wow this is it. The first DAW that can actually do everything I want, whilst seeming future proof.
I am on the brink of selling my Raven, moving to PC and just building a mega setup for Reaper, then getting a normal touch screen (windows has native 10 point touch)
As Mac does not have native 10 point touch, Raven is not much use to me when using Reaper, at least not more useful than any other touch screen, so even though I love it, there is very little reason to keep it at this point.
Ido like the look of DP10,but since I found Reaper it seems like a downgrade to use DP.
Please give us Raven support! I would love a reason to keep my Raven!
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