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Post by machinesworking on Feb 12, 2019 14:11:13 GMT -8
I'm downloading as I type, DP10 is shipping. New MOTU keybindings reported, hoping there isn't conflicts with Slate's custom bindings! Also probably hoping against hope that Slate and MOTU talked enough before DP10 came out to get the resizing in DP10 to match the size of the Raven floating mixer! It seems like a great thing but we have to wait and see...
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Post by machinesworking on Feb 12, 2019 14:25:31 GMT -8
DP10 is not compatible with the DP9 Raven template, it won't even load. In contrast Live 10 loads just fine using the older Live template... hopefully this isn't going to be one of those cases where Slate aren't interested in or take forever to support DP10!
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Post by waxman on Feb 12, 2019 15:32:08 GMT -8
DP10 is not compatible with the DP9 Raven template, it won't even load. In contrast Live 10 loads just fine using the older Live template... hopefully this isn't going to be one of those cases where Slate aren't interested in or take forever to support DP10! Open DP 9... then open raven. then close 9 and open 10 and it will open... it does not line up perfectly but it is better... just figuring it out now...
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Post by waxman on Feb 12, 2019 15:43:13 GMT -8
DP10 is not compatible with the DP9 Raven template, it won't even load. In contrast Live 10 loads just fine using the older Live template... hopefully this isn't going to be one of those cases where Slate aren't interested in or take forever to support DP10! Open DP 9... then open raven. then close 9 and open 10 and it will open... it does not line up perfectly but it is better... just figuring it out now... one more pic
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Post by waxman on Feb 13, 2019 2:24:33 GMT -8
My initial reaction after some time with DP10 is it's Ravens turn to make the integration fixes. The names in the DP mixer make it easier to find the correct DP channel strip above Raven floating mixer even not aligned it is closer than before. The larger screen the DP mixer works easier when selecting by touch inserts, sends, buttons etc.. The opening screen needs a DP10 option. The show/hide channels over Mackie control is not working at this point which really is disappointing but I may be doing something wrong. I'm thinking quick keys or a BC to choose automation (r/i/m/s auto) is probably the easiest. With the size scaling there is not enough verticle real estate anyway. A floating channel strip is probably out of the question as it would always cover channel 24. So Raven needs automation select on its channel strip something requested for 2 years now So at this point it's not perfect but it's better. I hope Raven (or somebody) does some DP updates now that DP 10 is a powerhouse DAW with its new state of the art features.
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Post by waxman on Feb 13, 2019 12:42:45 GMT -8
The big mixer is hosed...
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Post by machinesworking on Feb 13, 2019 13:28:32 GMT -8
Thanks for the workaround on opening DP10 Waxman!
It's very close though, if you line up the middle track then all of the tracks are above their faders, just moving slightly away from the center at the edges. I would love to see the ability to hide tracks in the Raven that are hidden in DP. Does DP do that with Mackie Control surfaces?
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Post by waxman on Feb 13, 2019 14:54:06 GMT -8
Thanks for the workaround on opening DP10 Waxman! It's very close though, if you line up the middle track then all of the tracks are above their faders, just moving slightly away from the center at the edges. I would love to see the ability to hide tracks in the Raven that are hidden in DP. Does DP do that with Mackie Control surfaces? MOTU did not add show hide over mackie control. They could have. PT does it and it's just sending the codes from grouping. At this point DP is banking and holding position of 24 channels and following the Raven . That looks like as good as it gets for now. I am going to ask MOTU to do a 24 track sized to the Raven. I doubt we will get much out of MOTU for a while. They did the standard Apple zoom screen presets. VCA's work fine. The zoomed screen makes it nice to touch on the DP gui... No way to easily get to automation at this point. It's still mickey mouse but it's better then it was so I'm grateful for that.
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Post by toodamnhip on Feb 13, 2019 15:40:50 GMT -8
Open DP 9... then open raven. then close 9 and open 10 and it will open... it does not line up perfectly but it is better... just figuring it out now... one more pic thanks for the heads up
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Post by waxman on Feb 13, 2019 18:11:38 GMT -8
Worked all day on 10... there are some issues. If you want to treat it just like 9.52 it’s stable. The GUI sizing is in standard Apple steps. Percentages. The closest for Raven is 150% for 24ch. Not perfect but 90% better and usable. Banking works perfect and colors and names really help. The big Raven Mixer is hosed on 10. VCA’s work as advertised but try to move one in a separate mixer window even if it’s not assigned it's a repeatable crash. The show/hide over Mackie Control is not implemented but the banking works so well I don’t care. Raven won’t open in DP10 so the workaround is open Raven in 9.52 first. The clips window is a bit wonky. Not as easy or refined as the Machine NI or Ableton way of doing clips based DAW. The rest of the program, for the most part, is under the hood. It is definitely a major Upgrade. Download a 30 day trial before buying unless you have $200 burning a hole in your pocket.
One way to handle automation is from the tracks window. But the best way is just select that section from the drop down window when needed. It moves the inserts up but at that point, you probably don’t need them and either state it’s only one click away or a quick key. I made a batch command for it.
Pics show BC Raven mixer state using Window Sets in DP10 Bottom line I’m still a Raven fan...
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Post by waxman on Feb 13, 2019 18:13:32 GMT -8
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Post by waxman on Feb 13, 2019 18:17:13 GMT -8
Soon as JameyZ is less distracted winning grammys and mixing Sting I'm sure he will have some answers... Congrats JZ
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Post by toodamnhip on Feb 14, 2019 4:46:31 GMT -8
Always good to see you a step ahead, paving the ground for better Raven implementation. You gonna be a sell’ them der fancy custom icons you made for yer self Pard ner?
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Post by waxman on Feb 14, 2019 12:26:47 GMT -8
Always good to see you a step ahead, paving the ground for better Raven implementation. You gonna be a sell’ them der fancy custom icons you made for yer self Pard ner? No more Raven icons... the big mixer is hosed in DP10
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Post by waxman on Feb 15, 2019 8:18:57 GMT -8
JameyZ, is there a possibility the programmers could access the user channel colors in DP 10 and put those into the name area of the Floating Mixer and the Raven Mixer? It's not a deal killer and I'm kind of picking nits but the more visual cues the better. Now the channel strip misalignment is not a big deal in DP and the Raven since it's not a template thing. Check the pic and channel 12 (Vocal VCA) is lined up. Then at channel 1 or 24, it's only off about 20%. I think I remember an analog board that offset the eq and sends section from the fader. So I found after using this for a couple days the improvement is substantial. I did 2 BC buttons for the two states I like for the upper mixer and that works great. Lastly, the larger DP mixer makes it very simple to use touch on the buttons and inserts. reference pic below...
Bank 1-24
Bank 25-48
Bank 1-24 with automation solo/mute/record/input
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