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Post by thesoundpost on Jan 15, 2016 2:51:36 GMT -8
Trying out my MTI 2 with Nuendo 7, I came across a couple of problems using automation in the Raven mixer.
1. I like to work in touch mode. The problem is as follows: every time I touch a fader and keep holding it in a steady position (like all the way at the bottom), after a few seconds the level will return to default (in my case 0 dB), but the fader stays at the bottom. Even on stop it stays there. On playing back the passage it will stay at the bottom until it comes across the automation I just wrote. Then it will shoot up to 0dB and start its descent to the bottom. The Nuendo mixer works perfectly.
2. If I keep moving the fader a little bit it does write automation, but on release it takes like a second and a half to recognize it's been released, after which it returns to its original position. A little too long for my taste. The Nuendo mixer, again, works properly.
3. Are the meters supposed to work? They do light up when audio is present, but they barely move. After hitting stop it takes 5 seconds for the lights to go out.
Could anyone confirm these things? Or, better still, tell me that I'm doing something wrong?
Best regards,
Marty.
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Post by jameyz on Jan 15, 2016 10:19:45 GMT -8
Thanks for the post, I will look into these issues for sure.
The metering is still being worked out so you are correct that it is slow to respond.
As far as the automation goes, this sounds like some HUI stuff going on that I will report.
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Post by thesoundpost on Jan 17, 2016 8:13:02 GMT -8
Thanks, Jamey. I tried mixing a show today. Like I said, impossible using 'touch' mode. I went with 'latch' and that worked quite well.
But a couple of hours in the Raven mixer detached itself from the project. I could move the faders, but they weren't connected to the Nuendo mixer. Rebooting Nuendo and Raven did the trick. Hope it's a fluke.
One more thing: I load my template. Some tracks are panned hard left and right. When I start Raven the panners are reset to the middle position every single time. I can replicate this. Not cool.
I'm enjoying working with the MTI2, though, and I really hope all these bugs will be ironed out in the near future.
I'll keep you posted if I run into any more problems.
Marty.
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Post by jameyz on Jan 17, 2016 8:17:28 GMT -8
That pan bug is fixed in the latest update. So sorry for then inconvenience there. But if you open up Raven before starting your project that won't happen.
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Post by thesoundpost on Jan 17, 2016 11:05:37 GMT -8
Great. I'll keep an eye out for the updates.
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Post by thesoundpost on Jan 17, 2016 12:15:18 GMT -8
A few more things (I feel like nagging, but these things are important, because these are the tools that I make a living with):
- When a fader is at 0dB in Nuendo, the Raven mixer fader reads 1.6dB. Not a huge deal, but still. Also, limiting the fader to +6dB in 'Project Setup' doesn't make any difference in the Raven mixer. It still goes up to 12 (visually).
- When in 'flip' mode (sends faders) I can't bank. If I want to reach sends further to the right I have to hit the 'channel' button again, bank to the right and then hit the 'send' button once more.
- Hitting 'send' always bring me to Sends 1, also if the last send I automated was a different one. I would rather have the Raven mixer remember which send I automated last time.
That's it (for now :-)
Any other Nuendo users out here?
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Post by optilizer on Jan 17, 2016 13:59:53 GMT -8
Hey There!
yes me, just intalled nuendo 7.0.35 and raven today and starting to figure out how this all works.
For starting i have to say that on my system 90% of the the batch commands do not work at all or a doing something completely different.
I have a german Keyboard which i did switch to english but that didn't make a lot of difference (except the undo/redo buttons started to work)
So i started to look into some of the shortcuts and for example the fade in/ fade out shortcuts all have one shift/tab command missing. If i put them in it does work.
Im wondering now if its also necessary to change the nuendo language to english or if I'm missing something.
At this state i cannot work with the raven at all as my workflow would decrease in speed significantly. And I'm not looking forward too much to do all the batch commands myself again.
As soon as i have the basics working ill look into the automation properties as well but for now I'm a bit disappointed.
Did your batch commands all work at first try?
Greetings
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Post by thesoundpost on Jan 17, 2016 15:27:59 GMT -8
Hi Optilizer,
It took me a while to understand how things work as well. The thing is, Slate pre-programmed a whole bunch of buttons and actions, using certain key commands. So obviously, we all start using the Raven NU7 key commands to check out all the cool things you can do with the MTI. The problem is, now your own key commands don't work anymore. That is, unless you re-program all of them into the Raven preset. That's what I did. You can still use your macro's, because they're also available from within the Raven key command preset.
Looking back, I think it might have been smarter if I kept using my old preset, holding my own key commands. You can always program more stuff if you need to. At least you can work the way you used to. So what you could try is: load up your own key command preset and start adding and modifying stuff in the Raven toolbar as you go along. It won't slow you down as much as it did me :-)
Best regards,
Marty.
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Post by jameyz on Jan 17, 2016 17:01:54 GMT -8
Hey There! For starting i have to say that on my system 90% of the the batch commands do not work at all or a doing something completely different. I have a german Keyboard which i did switch to english but that didn't make a lot of difference (except the undo/redo buttons started to work) Greetings Thanks for the input, i will be sure to look into the fade problems. I just fired Nuendo and Raven up on my mac mini and every BC I pressed worked, so I wonder what could be wrong. Please file a support ticket at slatemt.zendesk.com/hc/en-us if you can't get it working, and we will be able to help. How many "shift tabs"on your system did it take? As of now Raven programming is based on a qwerty English keyboard so some stuff will not work if the keyboard language is different. Also, other BCs use the menu items from Cubase so If these items name change when switching from English to German that could be an issue. I will launch nuendo and my keyboard in German and see if somethings can be accounted for. |
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Post by jameyz on Jan 17, 2016 19:51:08 GMT -8
- When in 'flip' mode (sends faders) I can't bank. If I want to reach sends further to the right I have to hit the 'channel' button again, bank to the right and then hit the 'send' button once more. Any other Nuendo users out here? For banking with sends use the Banking Left-Right 24/1 buttons. 2 finger swiping doesn't work in sends modes as of yet. I will be sure that does get added though. |
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Post by thesoundpost on Jan 17, 2016 23:01:06 GMT -8
- When in 'flip' mode (sends faders) I can't bank. If I want to reach sends further to the right I have to hit the 'channel' button again, bank to the right and then hit the 'send' button once more. Any other Nuendo users out here? For banking with sends use the Banking Left-Right 24/1 buttons. 2 finger swiping doesn't work in sends modes as of yet. I will be sure that does get added though. Ah, thanks! |
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Post by andi on Jan 18, 2016 11:06:13 GMT -8
How many "shift tabs"on your system did it take? As of now Raven programming is based on a qwerty English keyboard so some stuff will not work if the keyboard language is different. Also, other BCs use the menu items from Cubase so If these items name change when switching from English to German that could be an issue. I will launch nuendo and my keyboard in German and see if somethings can be accounted for. Hi Jamey! Thank you for your reply. So for example the fade in command on the Raven has 6 shift-tabs. If i do it by hand it took me 7 shift-tabs to go to the fade in. 6 was fade out because for some reason it goes from the back.. Same with the fade out command that just produces a LOT of volume change as it stops there. I'm also confused because in the Nuendo Key commands dialogue it says "Raven Keys NU6" Not NU7… for selecting the raven preset. So i have the feeling the problem lays there somehow. I also investigated further that for example in the Raven the Keycommand for "open ADR window" is ctrl-shift-alt-a or something (not in the studio now so scant look it up properly) but interestingly in Nuendo theres no Key command for opening that window at all after using the raven keys NU6 preset, also this command wasn't used for anything else either. So maybe that puts some light on my problem? Thanks a lot Andi EDIT: And as were on different Keyboards: for some reasons i would like to be able to keep the german keyboard layout, which shouldn't be a problem once I start programming my own BC'S. The only think that wouldn't work for now would be the undo / redo buttons, as they are fixed in the software. Is there any possibility to change those Keycommands? Thank you! |
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Post by andi on Jan 18, 2016 11:13:28 GMT -8
Hi Optilizer, It took me a while to understand how things work as well. The thing is, Slate pre-programmed a whole bunch of buttons and actions, using certain key commands. So obviously, we all start using the Raven NU7 key commands to check out all the cool things you can do with the MTI. The problem is, now your own key commands don't work anymore. That is, unless you re-program all of them into the Raven preset. That's what I did. You can still use your macro's, because they're also available from within the Raven key command preset. Looking back, I think it might have been smarter if I kept using my old preset, holding my own key commands. You can always program more stuff if you need to. At least you can work the way you used to. So what you could try is: load up your own key command preset and start adding and modifying stuff in the Raven toolbar as you go along. It won't slow you down as much as it did me :-) Best regards, Marty. Hi Marty. Thanks for the reply. I already figured, that most of the shortcuts i'd need i would have to program myself as the BC's that come with raven are more music oriented and not suitable for my work. However it would be nice to load the presets up and start to get a feeling for whats possible or maybe adapt some BC's to my needs but at the situation I have this isn't possible. But well see how it turned out  All the best Andi |
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Post by thesoundpost on Jan 18, 2016 11:43:22 GMT -8
Hi Andi,
I started out by checking out the Raven BC's, but meanwhile almost all of the buttons that I use are programmed by myself. Once you figure it out it's not very difficult to do. Time consuming, yes :-)
Today I created a BC that turns on (or off) all of my default inserts for mixing TV shows. One by one, but 10 x times faster than I could do it manually. And all with the push of a button. It took some time to write the BC, but now it works it's a thing of beauty! I also programmed some other time savers. Very cool.
A thing to keep in mind: as far as I know the buttons that can't be changed (undo, redo, navpad) need to see the correct key commands. For instance, I changed zoom in and out to something else, but then the navpad didn't work anymore. It needs to be g an h.
Anyway, have fun!
Marty.
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Post by andi on Jan 18, 2016 11:54:18 GMT -8
Interesting! So im a bit puzzled because the main difference between german and english keyboard concerning the letters is the exchange of z and y. Undo is command z in all applications in mac. In german. So if i want to undo something thats my goto key command. I always thought that its also command z on english keyboards but just the z on another position. But if i don't change to english keyboard, the raven undo button doesn't work anymore. So it has to put out the number of the key instead of the letter written on it. Otherwise command z would be always command z, no matter what keyboard setup you have. …. And also why would you want to bypass all your plugins at once? Just corious what you use that feature for All the best andi |
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Post by thesoundpost on Jan 18, 2016 12:55:49 GMT -8
Yes, the famous QWERTZ keyboard! Have a couple of those from the time I spent in Köln.
Bypassing all inserts? When I do audio post for TV I like to do all editing without any inserts on the Dialog and Master Bus etc. (external analogue gear), because I want to hear what I'm working on. Also, if I have to record a voice-over for it I want all inserts and reverb plugins off to make sure I have as little latency as possible. Come mixing time, I enable all inserts (master compressor, eq, reverbs etc.) so I can hear what the final mix will sound like.
It's just my way of working. So I'm trying to come up with batch commands that suit my needs.
What line of work are you in?
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Post by andi on Jan 20, 2016 5:54:03 GMT -8
Ah yes that sounds like a very good idea indeed!
I'm into sound design and mixing (more mixing) mostly for cinema. And at the moment the Raven would really come in handy. But since last time i ran into even more problems that renders the raven actually useless. Sigh. Let's hope for the best.
greetings!
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Post by thesoundpost on Jan 23, 2016 4:48:15 GMT -8
Thanks for the post, I will look into these issues for sure. The metering is still being worked out so you are correct that it is slow to respond. As far as the automation goes, this sounds like some HUI stuff going on that I will report. Hi Jamey, Apparently this is nothing new. I just found 2 posts in the Logic area that describe eerily similar problems: slate.boards.net/thread/348/letting-touch-automation-snap-timeslate.boards.net/thread/563/touch-automationThis was almost a year ago. This is what you said: 'This is a logic bug due to a couple Logic/HUI issues with all controllers. Hopefully Apple will add a fix in the next LPX update' However, since the problem is exactly the same in Nuendo, I don't think this is a Logic bug. Maybe you can point that out to the developers. Marty. |
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Post by jameyz on Jan 23, 2016 7:37:43 GMT -8
I noticed the same thing. This was happening in logic also. So it seems like something both these Apps do with HUI. Since this doesn't happen in Pro Tools/Ableton/DP so it is difficult to track.
The programmers are looking at so we should see a fix soon.
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