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Post by jb on Nov 21, 2015 15:25:20 GMT -8
Just received the new MTi2 and installed the software for Cubase/Nuendo.
The issue I am having is that the Raven toolbars do not display on the Raven display, but instead on the Apple Cinema Display, which is the primary display on this setup. The display arrangement is such that the Raven is situated to the left of the primary display (Cinema Display).
Am I missing something with the setup and configuration? I also switched the UPDD Console to handle the Raven desktop also, but that didn't seem to make a difference.
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Post by jb on Nov 21, 2015 15:43:07 GMT -8
Made a little progress:
If I make the Raven the primary display, then the Raven toolbars will situate at the bottom of the Raven screen. Not sure whether that is the way it is supposed to work. Still digging through the manual...
If this is by design, there may be a few issues with this approach. I mainly want to use the Raven to control Cubase/Nuendo with the Raven toolbars, and control the mixer. Everything else (Project Window, etc.), I'd like to do with the mouse on the Cinema Display.
So, the question is:
Can the Raven be used as a secondary monitor, allowing the above workflow?
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Post by jameyz on Nov 21, 2015 15:49:23 GMT -8
The Raven needs to have the main toolbar and be the main display to be Multi Touch and work with the Multi Touch Mixers. Internal and External/Floating. You should be able to use workspaces to keep the project window on your other display.. I use two ravens and have the multitouch mixer on one side and the project window on the other side.. I do like having the Navpad and the cursors in the Project window though. So maybe you could setup a couple edit and edit mix workspaces to switch between. You can adjust the menubar in system prefs to relocate different screens..
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Post by jb on Nov 21, 2015 16:00:36 GMT -8
Thanks, Jameyz. Now that I understand how the Raven wants to work, it makes sense, of course. Just a different workflow I have to get used to now. I'm using SizeUp, which helps a lot in quickly locating windows on another display.
Now I wish the Raven MTi2 would have the same resolution as the Cinema Displays. :-D
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Post by jameyz on Nov 21, 2015 16:13:02 GMT -8
The edit/mix button select workspaces 1/2. So hopefully you can update those to work better for your style..
The buttons start getting really small with greater resolutions. so not to touch friendly.
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Post by jb on Nov 21, 2015 18:51:32 GMT -8
Yeah, resolution would get crazy small with some of those aspects. And yes, I figured that Workspaces 1 and 2 would coincide with those two buttons. Works as expected now.
Curious, when displaying the Cubase mixer, the overlaying Raven faders don't really line up with the Cubase faders. Is that a glitch? I still have to dig through the rest of the documentation and the videos, but thought to ask, as I thought that was sort of strange. Also looks like only the Raven mixer is multi-touch, not the Cubase mixer. Would be expected, since Cubase itself doesn't offer multi-touch support.
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Post by jameyz on Nov 22, 2015 7:05:17 GMT -8
If you have the dock on the left-hand side the faders may not line up perfectly. Or else please upload a screenshot so we could see the alignment
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Post by jb on Nov 22, 2015 14:24:13 GMT -8
Finally made it through the video tutorials and the manual. Things are starting to clear up a little. However, I'm still running into major issues that will have to be resolved for this to be a viable workflow. Not complaining, just trying to determine whether here are some real shortcomings, or I'm still suffering from having to get used to the way Raven works. Here's the list of items that support may need to look into if I am missing something. But I thought to put it up here as well, so others can follow the progress.
1) Switching between Project and Mix workspaces - Annoyance
I now have Mixer 2 on the Cinema Display after determining that I'm going to use the project window and Mixer 1 on the Raven. :-) However, I am used to seeing a lot more on the mixer window than the Raven is giving me. This includes the meter bridge, channel overview, and the control room. I created a configuration for Mixer 2 to display those again, including many more channels than the 24 on the Raven mixer.
Here's the problem: When I am switching between Project and Mix workspaces on the Raven toolbar, Mixer 2, which is in both workspaces supposed to take up the full screen real estate on the Cinema Display, constantly resizes upon switching. I'm sure some of this has to do with how Cubase sometimes messes with elements defined in a workspace. However, it's annoying and am wondering if I'm missing something.
2) Switching between Project and Mix workspaces, the relative location in the Project window is different - Major Deal Breaker
Scenario: I'm working in a large film scoring template (1100+ tracks), have several objects defined in MIDI tracks, with a certain MIDI track and an object in it selected. Switching to the mixer with the Raven and then back to the project window seems to jump to a track in the project that seems to have been saved with the workspace layout. In other words, I just have lost my spot in the project and now have to scroll up or down to find the currently active track again.
That is a major drawback and I need to somehow try to find a workaround.
3) Mixer Channel Offset When Banking - Major Deal Breaker
Just to test and make sure this is not an issue with an existing project, I created a project with 48 tracks. The Raven mixer (internal with the fader knob overlays) will line up everything beautifully for the first 24 channels. However, as soon as I bank to the next set of 24 tracks, the knobs don't line up with the actual tracks/channels anymore, but instead are offset significantly.
Is this a bug, or am I missing something? The mixer window (size and layout) looks exactly the same as the one in the manual depicting a proper setup.
4) Meters on the Raven External Mixer Not Working
I noticed that the meters on the Raven external mixer are not working, instead just once in a while light up.
I'll keep adding a few more things as I find them.
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Post by jameyz on Nov 22, 2015 17:09:28 GMT -8
Thanks for the notes. Very helpful to get your ideas and opinions.. 1) Switching between Project and Mix workspaces - Annoyance I now have Mixer 2 on the Cinema Display after determining that I'm going to use the project window and Mixer 1 on the Raven. :-) However, I am used to seeing a lot more on the mixer window than the Raven is giving me. This includes the meter bridge, channel overview, and the control room. I created a configuration for Mixer 2 to display those again, including many more channels than the 24 on the Raven mixer. Here's the problem: When I am switching between Project and Mix workspaces on the Raven toolbar, Mixer 2, which is in both workspaces supposed to take up the full screen real estate on the Cinema Display, constantly resizes upon switching. I'm sure some of this has to do with how Cubase sometimes messes with elements defined in a workspace. However, it's annoying and am wondering if I'm missing something. Usually for me if I update the workspace the screen bounds will remember perfectly .. But maybe since your screen sizes are different this could be an issue. There is a Batch Command in the quicks list for "align window 1 or 2 rack spaces. Maybe this can help you from having to click and drag.. Or can u program a mouse click to Maximize that window? 2) Switching between Project and Mix workspaces, the relative location in the Project window is different - Major Deal Breaker Scenario: I'm working in a large film scoring template (1100+ tracks), have several objects defined in MIDI tracks, with a certain MIDI track and an object in it selected. Switching to the mixer with the Raven and then back to the project window seems to jump to a track in the project that seems to have been saved with the workspace layout. In other words, I just have lost my spot in the project and now have to scroll up or down to find the currently active track again. That is a major drawback and I need to somehow try to find a workaround. You can try re checking "sync mixer and project window select" in cubase prefs. But when you turn back to the mixer the Raven faders can come out of alignment.. If you select tracks past 24 and will require you to bank the faders back to selection. Can you use something with "configurations" to only pull up certain the desired tracks?? Or in the project window there is the floating mixer to quickly get up some faders... 3) Mixer Channel Offset When Banking - Major Deal Breaker Just to test and make sure this is not an issue with an existing project, I created a project with 48 tracks. The Raven mixer (internal with the fader knob overlays) will line up everything beautifully for the first 24 channels. However, as soon as I bank to the next set of 24 tracks, the knobs don't line up with the actual tracks/channels anymore, but instead are offset significantly. Is this a bug, or am I missing something? The mixer window (size and layout) looks exactly the same as the one in the manual depicting a proper setup. Are you sure you are only seeing 24 tracks when banking? Are u hiding stereo in and out? As this can cause the faders to look off.. If I have 48 tracks and am showing 24 then hit "bank 24" my mixer will stay aligned.: Can you upload a screen shot of what happens?? 4) Meters on the Raven External Mixer Not Working I noticed that the meters on the Raven external mixer are not working, instead just once in a while light up. . Sounds like a HUI issue, I will look into it..
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Post by jameyz on Nov 22, 2015 17:45:39 GMT -8
What system specs are you on??
When you are using the banking buttons does bank by 1 work?
Just hold down the bank 24 to change to bank 1..
If not, do you have a scroll bar on the bottom of your cubase screen in the mixer?
As Ravens internal mixer uses this scroll bar to bank..
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Post by jb on Nov 23, 2015 8:43:16 GMT -8
What system specs are you on?? When you are using the banking buttons does bank by 1 work? Just hold down the bank 24 to change to bank 1.. If not, do you have a scroll bar on the bottom of your cubase screen in the mixer? As Ravens internal mixer uses this scroll bar to bank.. Appreciate the continued input! System Specs: Mac Pro (2013 - Trashcan), 2.7 GHz 12-Core Xeon, 24GB RAM Banking Issue: Here are two screenshots taken from a test project with a total of 48 tracks (audio and MIDI). Bank 1 to 24 - All aligned properly: www.dropbox.com/s/kam59tzp4ekpgmk/RavenBank01to24.png?dl=0Bank 25 to 48 - Misaligned: www.dropbox.com/s/17xcca8jaw7r24a/RavenBank25to48.png?dl=0I see the scrollbar at the bottom, which has moved to the correct position, but the misalignment is still happening, even using various methods of banking, including using two fingers to swipe, banking with the Bank 24 buttons, etc. What seems to be happening is that while the Raven mixer overlay banks properly, the Cubase mixer underneath will not change, as you can see in the screenshots. We should be on channels 25 through 48 in the second screenshot, but we're still showing 1 through 24. Project/Mix Switching Issues: I figured out that resizing the Mixer 2 window on the Cinema Display with the mouse (dragging window border to the bottom right hand corner) rather than using the SizeUp keyboard shortcut to maximize the window seems to allow Cubase workspace updates to remember the size of the window. In short, no more resizing when switching between Raven project and mix workspaces. That's a win. :-) The bigger problem still persists. Workspaces seem to store the relative position of where you are at in the project window, which may also be perhaps an issue with the banking on the mixer. In other words, there is no easy way getting back to the exact place in a large project without a painful scrolling process. This is even compounded for long projects, as the workspace seems to store the timeline position as well. That is clearly a deal breaker for me and we need to find a way to work it out. Synchronizing Track and Mixer Channel: I switched it back on in the preferences. However, the Raven is not following it. So, if I am selecting track 1 at first, Cubase follows it on Mixer 2 and the main Mixer. If I am banked on 1-24 in the Raven mixer, I see the white outline and Raven will have selected the channel in the mixer. If I now select track 29, Cubase will follow in Mixer 2, move the scrollbar position in the main Mixer to the right position, Raven will move the white channel outline to the right position, but the Cubase mixer underneath will remain on the 1-24 bank. Here's a screenshot of what that looks like. www.dropbox.com/s/etujzyta3n3b9l6/RavenTrackSelectIssue.png?dl=0So, it seems that the bank switching is causing a number of issues here. I so hope this can be worked out. I truly want it to work, but at the moment I may need to be forced to disconnect the Raven and return to my previous setup without it. Got work to do. :-)
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Post by jameyz on Nov 23, 2015 9:04:31 GMT -8
Thanks for taking the time to do this..
I notice that in the screenshots you have the "Stereo In" channel showing. As of now on Raven needs this and stereo out to be hidden..
Also when using 1 or 2 finger swipe, be sure to release right after the gesture so the cubase screen can cursor over to the bank.
Otherwise may have to stick with the banking buttons..
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Post by jb on Nov 23, 2015 9:22:57 GMT -8
Yeah, not sure how that snuck in. I'm looking at the current mixer on the screen and it doesn't have the "Stereo In" checked for visibility. Issue still persists. :-)
As for using 1 or 2 finger swipe, or using the banking buttons, the issue with Cubase not updating the mixer for bank 25-48 is the same.
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Post by amar barrera on Aug 17, 2018 5:58:25 GMT -8
The edit/mix button select workspaces 1/2. So hopefully you can update those to work better for your style.. The buttons start getting really small with greater resolutions. so not to touch friendly. i have a simular question. i have the dual set up , when the raven on the left is screen 1 and the right screen 2 . when i open raven why is the power and the non moveable icons and tools on the right screen and not on the 1st screen , when i hit 2>1 its swaps the screens along with the tools, was this inteneded for a particular reason .?
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Post by jameyz on Aug 17, 2018 8:27:53 GMT -8
The edit/mix button select workspaces 1/2. So hopefully you can update those to work better for your style.. The buttons start getting really small with greater resolutions. so not to touch friendly. i have a simular question. i have the dual set up , when the raven on the left is screen 1 and the right screen 2 . when i open raven why is the power and the non moveable icons and tools on the right screen and not on the 1st screen , when i hit 2>1 its swaps the screens along with the tools, was this inteneded for a particular reason .? They power button should show on the left, either there is a mix up in the graphics card reporting the displays correctly due to a cable or connector / splitter problem. Or the main display is not set to the left. slatemt.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001008187-MacBook-Pro-Dual-RAVEN-setupHere is the link to start a support ticket for the Raven.. slatemt.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=61177[/quote]
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