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Post by actualsizeaudio on Jun 7, 2015 9:24:05 GMT -8
Hi Raven team.
I've been an MTX user since the first batch was delivered. It has been a huge help to my workflow, and the batch commander in V2 really streamlined some things for me.
I was excited for 2.5, but I have to tell you, I'm downgrading immediately. The batch command buttons are simply too big. They were the perfect size before. I can't even come close to fitting all of the ones I need on my rack, and with the type of work I do I can't use more than one rack. I can't understand why on earth you would want to A: change something that wasn't broken, and B: change it in a way that made the software less useful as opposed to more useful.
What stinks is it looks like I'll be stuck at 2.1 for as long as I can, which I'm worried won't be forever. Can you make an option to have the proper size buttons again?
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Post by Slate Media Technology on Jun 7, 2015 15:20:37 GMT -8
Hi Actualsizeaudio,
The decision to increase button size was based on the overwhelming feedback we received based on the size of the batch commands. On the MTi and MTX the larger buttons allow users to put more information in the title.
We are working on compact button options for future updates.
Thank you for your feedback.
Kind Regards,
— Trevor Fedele Product Specialist Slate Media Technology // Slate Digital LLC trevor@stevenslate.com
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Post by actualsizeaudio on Jun 17, 2015 17:25:33 GMT -8
Thanks Trevor. I strongly feel like the large buttons should have been added as an option, not supplanted the old buttons. I would very much appreciate an update where the old sized buttons without that tab on the left are brought back along side the new large buttons. Space in my tool bar is so precious!
Thanks for the response.
-Mike
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Post by Slate Media Technology on Jun 18, 2015 10:01:48 GMT -8
Hello actualsizeaudio,
I just wanted to chime in here. It was a hard decision to determine the best method for release of the larger graphics. We had an overwhelming request for button size increase and the button text in particular being too small. We tried to do as much as we could to also warn users within your Slate Accounts that we had increased the size of the graphics and layouts may adjust. That being said, I have a couple workflow options I'd like to propose to help make your transition better.
1) RAVEN 2.1.1 is available in your Slate Account. If you're not ready to upgrade to the new graphics - you are welcome to continue on 2.1.1 to your preference.
2) The Slate Remote can increase your access to Batch Command visibility. By this - I mean you could set up one layout that you always keep loaded on your Slate Remote iOS Device and have all of your Batch Commands loaded and in one place. The you can utilize the RAVEN Toolbars for your touch tools and perhaps one panel of Batch Commands.
I do personally apologize for the inconvenience and I hope your transition improves. I have added to our user request log that you would be interested in having the option between the two - however at this time we're not planning on reapplying the old, smaller version graphics as an option. We are looking at options however to include and not include the name labeling panel as an option for the users, but cannot confirm this implementation at this time.
Thank you,
md -- Matt Dodge Software Director, Slate Media Technology // Slate Digital LLC slatemt.com // slatedigital.com
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Post by actualsizeaudio on Jun 19, 2015 5:09:11 GMT -8
Thanks for the reply Matt.
After a week of using the large buttons every day, I despise them even more than I did before. Certain buttons just don't need to be that large. Like clip gain up and down, I was able to sneak them into a tight spot before next to some tools. I can't do that anymore. I don't know a single engineer that hasn't pressed small buttons in a studio with abbreviations on them. CLP + and CLP - fit in the small buttons nicely. I can see where complex tasks require more text, but many of these buttons perform basic useful functions that any working engineer could identify with an abbreviation. When you couple this inconvenience with the fact that I've been running PT11 on Yosemite, a version not even supported by 2.1.1, switching back to the old version isn't an option.
I don't have room for an iPad in here, and since my kids cover them with snot everyday anyway that's not really an option either.
If you had them before, I really just don't understand why you can't have them going forward. Just add the new large buttons as an option. You must have your reasons why this would be difficult, but I really think it would be worth it. I very much hope you take it into consideration.
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Post by actualsizeaudio on Jun 19, 2015 6:54:38 GMT -8
After seeing what the batch command buttons look like on the iPad, I can see what happened. For an MTi user, the old small buttons were really small, but for an MTX user like me, the buttons were a good size. Now, for the iPad or for an MTi, the buttons are a good size, but for an MTX user like myself, the buttons are silly big.
I paid a serious premium for the MTX, as did every other user out there. I'm sure we're a minority, but seeing that we did pay a premium, we should be considered equally in these decisions. Please take into consideration the reduced functionality of your great (and in my case) critical software for users of the larger MTX console.
Thanks again for listening,
Mike
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Post by Slate Media Technology on Jun 19, 2015 11:03:11 GMT -8
Hey Mike,
Thank you for detailing the issue here. We definitely take our MTX users very seriously. The decision for changing the size was not just for press-ability in size, but actually more specifically for indicating the button's function like you noted - which is important for both display sizes including more text. You bring up a good point that we had originally decided when incorporating the buttons, which was users would be able to abbreviate and know that the buttons did just like a console, but the global user feedback was very negative, saying they couldn't figure out what any of the Batch Commands did. This being said, I am taking your request seriously - and will do my best to find a solution over the next few updates to somehow incorporate the option for if anything else. Again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience this has caused you.
Thank you,
md -- Matt Dodge Software Director, Slate Media Technology // Slate Digital LLC slatemt.com // slatedigital.com
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Post by actualsizeaudio on Jun 20, 2015 5:27:45 GMT -8
Thanks a lot Matt.
It was very eye opening to me seeing how the buttons looked on an iPad. I'm sure they look similar on an MTi. It all made sense to me when I saw that. I can see how the vast majority of your users have the smaller consoles, and therefore couldn't figure out the text in the buttons. On the MTX it is just a different world.
A question: for the smaller buttons, could you have a smaller text font? A smaller font would still be readable on the MTX. In fact, I'm typing this response with the Raven bar open, and the font in this message is smaller than the font in the buttons. That might help get more text, and therefore more usefulness out of the smaller buttons for MTX users.
Regardless, thanks for responding, and taking my thoughts into consideration.
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Post by Slate Media Technology on Jun 22, 2015 15:53:16 GMT -8
Hey Mike,
Thank you for letting us know your thoughts too. I personally appreciate them and will always do all I can to accommodate our user's requests. That being said, an adjustable font is something that is possible to the existing graphics - we experimented a lot with font adjustments on the old graphics without success, however the we could try to introduce a font size adjustment of "SMALL" or "LARGE" to the existing ones if you think this would be something that would benefit you and the users.
Thank you,
md -- Matt Dodge Software Director, Slate Media Technology // Slate Digital LLC slatemt.com // slatedigital.com
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Post by audiobox on Jun 23, 2015 17:00:29 GMT -8
Hey Mike, Thank you for letting us know your thoughts too. I personally appreciate them and will always do all I can to accommodate our user's requests. That being said, an adjustable font is something that is possible to the existing graphics - we experimented a lot with font adjustments on the old graphics without success, however the we could try to introduce a font size adjustment of "SMALL" or "LARGE" to the existing ones if you think this would be something that would benefit you and the users. Thank you, md -- Matt Dodge Software Director, Slate Media Technology // Slate Digital LLC slatemt.com // slatedigital.com I was wondering if the scalabiity of the software between MTi & MTX would have problems somewhere. I can see the bigger buttons would be Way Big for an MTX user. Of course, I wish I had the problem of having an MTX, because then the buttons would be too big, but waveform editing might be practical. As it is, the new format is a huge improvement on my tiny MTi. Hang in there ActualSize. The Slate Team is always cranking. I'm waiting for DP like Santa on Christmas Eve.
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Post by actualsizeaudio on Oct 2, 2015 5:47:59 GMT -8
Smaller buttons for MTX users. Please don't forget.
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Post by Slate Media Technology on Oct 2, 2015 11:14:41 GMT -8
Hey Guys,
You wont be seeing smaller buttons in 3.0 yet. We will be looking into it for future releases.
- Trevor
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Post by actualsizeaudio on Oct 2, 2015 11:38:23 GMT -8
Thanks Trevor,
I understand you guys have to prioritize, and the main goal right now is to get as many new users as possible. However, don't forget about the users with the big rigs like me who helped start get this train going.
Good luck with getting 3.0 out. I look forward to 3.1!
-Mike
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onelouder
New Member
That was great.. Let's do it again.
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Post by onelouder on Dec 28, 2015 8:54:57 GMT -8
Even if we can't get smaller buttons on the MTX, what about a way to cut the title flag in half? I agree the button size is very big, but I think there is far more wasted space in having the title flag of each batch command section be so large.
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Post by Slate Media Technology on Dec 29, 2015 10:21:37 GMT -8
Hey Onelouder,
This is a feature that has been on our radar. We hope to add it to RAVEN in the future.
Kind Regards,
— Trevor Fedele Product Specialist Slate Media Technology // Slate Digital LLC // Steven Slate Drums
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Post by actualsizeaudio on Jan 25, 2017 9:29:22 GMT -8
I have more batch commands. I need smaller buttons. Do it (please)!
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Post by jameyz on Jan 25, 2017 9:33:20 GMT -8
I have more batch commands. I need smaller buttons. Do it (please)! Hey, I will ask around and see how we can accomplish this.
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Post by actualsizeaudio on Feb 7, 2018 19:39:48 GMT -8
Been using D-touch for the past year since I can get all my commands in with that program. The Raven software graphics are just a travesty. Plus, Raven was buggy with PT11 and Yosemite. D-Touch was more solid, though not as feature rich.
I've upgraded to the 3.5 Raven software and it seems very nice. I'm now on PT2018.1, and that seems more stable too.
However, the buttons, and those redundant flags to the left of them mean I can't get enough batch commands on the toolbar. FAIL. Just serious epic fail. Just include a set of smaller button batch command buttons and let the MTI users not use them. Better yet, have a way to customize the toolbar so the entire one side of a toolbar can be commands. I just can't believe I bought this thing, and had to move to a different touch software because the graphics became too large.
The amount of fail here for MTX users is staggering, I'm sorry to be this honest.
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Post by jameyz on Feb 8, 2018 9:44:07 GMT -8
Been using D-touch for the past year since I can get all my commands in with that program. The Raven software graphics are just a travesty. Plus, Raven was buggy with PT11 and Yosemite. D-Touch was more solid, though not as feature rich. I've upgraded to the 3.5 Raven software and it seems very nice. I'm now on PT2018.1, and that seems more stable too. However, the buttons, and those redundant flags to the left of them mean I can't get enough batch commands on the toolbar. FAIL. Just serious epic fail. Just include a set of smaller button batch command buttons and let the MTI users not use them. Better yet, have a way to customize the toolbar so the entire one side of a toolbar can be commands. I just can't believe I bought this thing, and had to move to a different touch software because the graphics became too large. The amount of fail here for MTX users is staggering, I'm sorry to be this honest. Yeah, we can add in that option for sure. We just don't get any request for this feature so it hasn't moved up the list in a while.
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Post by actualsizeaudio on Feb 8, 2018 10:00:46 GMT -8
I'm shocked to be honest. Are there just not that many MTX units out there? I seriously have about a dozen macros that I need on my screen, and even with all this screen real estate I can't fit them in the tool bar. I live in the edit window much of the time, so floating stuff doesn't really work, especially since the buttons would cover so much.
I don't want you guys to have to do a bunch of needless work, you shouldn't have to re-invent anything. Those buttons for the edit mode: I.E. Shuffle, Slip, Spot.....those buttons are a nice graphic, and a nice size. You could fit 3 of them top to bottom on that tool bar. Make a set of 9 buttons that you could use with macros that were those style buttons (which BTW match the monitor controller nicely) and call it a day. You could have 4 blank sets of nine in tool bars that people could pull down there and use if they wanted to. I actually think the Raven graphics are quite nice, they just waste such a shocking amount of screen real estate. I wish they didn't make the software un useable, but they really do (for me). This request is not really changing the function of the software. Just take some buttons you already have designed and let them be used with the macros.
I hope its happens someday. Good luck, and thanks for considering it.
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